City of Deltona

2345 Providence Blvd.

Deltona, FL 32725

Minutes

Special City Commission Meeting

Saturday, April 13, 2024

5:30 PM

Deltona Commission Chambers

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Chambers by a Volusia Sheriff’s Deputy.

1. CALL TO ORDER:

The meeting was called to order at 5:30 p.m. by Mayor Avila.

2. ROLL CALL – CITY CLERK:

Present:7 -

Mayor Avila

Vice Mayor JodyLee

Commissioner Avila-Vazquez

Commissioner Colwell

Commissioner Heriot

Commissioner McCool

Commissioner Shimkus

3. PLEDGE TO THE FLAG:

4. BUSINESS:

REVISED City Manager Candidate Interviews:

• 5:30 - 5:35 - Review procedures for interviews

• 5:35 - 5:55 - Dale "Doc" Dougherty

• 5:55 - 6:15 - Carmen Y. Davis

Note: These times are tentative.

Colin Baenziger with Colin Baenziger and Associates stated he thinks everybody knows

we've had a pretty good weekend and a very long day at least for the candidates. Yesterday

they took a tour of the City, met some City staff, and attended the reception with the public.

This afternoon the elected officials, the Mayor, and Commissioners each met with each of

the candidates for about 40 minutes. Tonight, we're going to have the two remaining

candidates Carmen Davis and Dale “Doc” Dougherty do a simulated kind of Commission

meeting where they will be standing here and the Commission as a body with be asking

them questions. Our idea was so that the Commission could see them in a social setting, a

one-on-one setting and then a council meeting type setting. We did have four other

candidates, two of them had other opportunities, one dropped out and the fourth went into

the hospital. We are down to two at the moment and we will see what you all want to do after

you have interviewed these candidates. We will be back here Monday night for a decision.

The first candidate is Dale “Doc” Dougherty who will introduce himself. What he normally

recommends is that each of the Commissioners could ask one question and the Mayor just

starts at one end of the dais to the other.

Mayor Avila stated out of respect for the rules we set-up by this Commission, each

candidate is going to get 20 minutes so I will do my very best for every single person up

here to ask their question and if the two candidates can just be mindful of that.

Dale “Doc” Dougherty wished everyone a good evening and he appreciated the opportunity

to speak before the Commission this evening. Just to give a little background, he was born

and raised in Allentown, Pennsylvania. He met my wife on a blind date and has been

married 30 years this New Year's Eve. We have five children, the oldest is 25 and a

graduate of Florida Gator. She is a software engineer in the Melbourne area, and he will be

going over there tonight to see her. We have another one that is an officer in the Army as a

Quarter Master and a college graduate. Then three other children that are at West Point

right now as a freshman, sophomore and a senior that will be future officers for our country

in the Army. We started our career in South Florida moving now from Pennsylvania to the

West Palm Beach area. From there after 12 years became disillusioned with government

and had enough people in government to say, “hey aren't you happy at least you're getting

paid”. My objective is to do stuff in life, especially in doing something for the community.

After 12 years he finally said to his wife that is it I want to recalibrate my skills and so he

went to the University of Notre Dame to get his MBA (Master of Business Administration).

He left the workplace five babies in toe, went up to South Bend and came out when the

market crashed in 2008 and he was the oldest MBA student. Of course, he went back into

what he knew which now he is even worse than ever. Looking at things upside down and

backwards from a business perspective in government is not something you traditionally

see. Plus, a background in Parks and Recreation, he is a special event coordinator and

marketing person so everything we put out should be put out with Excellence. From there

worked our way down to South Carolina and worked out of Walterboro, Charleston area. He

worked over in Macon, Georgia, went with the consolidated government and started as the

City of Macon. Transferred to Bib County, the department and then consolidated so that

was quite an experience. Then down to Hillsboro County with 1.3 million people down there

but, the same concept of doing very little was the expectations which he told his wife the first

day he did not think they were going to make it very long there. He had to fully get into

management, so he made the move up to Michigan, probably our one and only stop up in

Michigan. There are great people, a great Mayor and Council up there but, our objective

was always after five or six years once the kids were in college to work our way back down

to Florida. Just recently he was recognized as the longest serving manager in the city's

history with great financial shape but, it is time for us to make the move down to Florida.

Deltona is interesting and it keeps jumping out at him as a place he thinks he may want to

be.

Commissioner Shimkus asked what is your process for developing project plans and how

do you approach the tracking and reporting on plans across the City?

Mr. Doughtery answered starting with the end, exactly what is the solution that we are

looking for. He has seen a lot in government where plans are put together and then put on

the shelf because they were useless. The following questions need to be asked: What is it

going to take to get there? What is our halfway point? Who is involved and who is

engaged? He does not think there is one set plan specifically for every project but,

generically he would say your end is what you have in mind. Any project that he is directly

involved in is not done in a vacuum, it is done with everybody involved. He would include

citizen engagement like a task committee, so they understand the same situation that we

understand. He likes to get the citizens involved so that they can see that there may be

issues one way or the other. So, he sees citizen engagement in some of these big projects

that the City is dealing with.

Commissioner Avila-Vasquez asked what would be your goals to move the City forward

bringing staffs’ morale back up and in the trust of the residents for the City?

Mr. Dougherty answered what attracted him about this position the most is what appears to

be a lack of stability overall. He thinks the Commission has done the best they can with

instability over the last four years or so with no one really in charge. The position is almost

like a traffic cop working with staff making them feel safe and secure. The Commissioners

themselves helping them to be overly prepared for the meetings and some of the topics we

are going to have. Then for the citizens themselves to have them be involved. So, looking at

the stability of what he could bring to the community he thinks is number one. Number two,

the lack of citizen engagement which could be said except it does not look like the

Commission is hiding anything. Putting out as much information as we possibly can to let

everyone know what is happening, he thinks is significant. He thinks the City’s development

is a concern and infrastructure has to be there for that development. He has experience

working with small governments, big governments and several different states.

Development is important, you need to have that increase in tax base but, it also has to be

done with infrastructure first to make sure that we are covering ourselves. He believes in

good government. He is still an ideologue that believes everybody wants to do their best.

He thinks the staff will feel supported, the Commission will be informed and be trustworthy

of his leadership and he thinks the citizens, the vast majority, will understand that we are

getting on track.

Commissioner McCool asked that keeping in mind transparency and stability, what are

your top three goals for the first 30 days?

Mr. Dougherty answered the first 30 days is to find out several things but, one is individually

what is the objectives of the Commissioners and what is your personal agenda. Nobody

runs specifically for office with just a general idea, there are things that they like to focus on.

My objective right from the start would be to meet with each of the Commissioners to go

over what direction they really would like to see the City go in. Leading the staff is without a

doubt the number one thing also, to meet with the department heads, see where they are at,

what their plans are, and what their concerns have been. We have a lot of open positions,

what is it going to take to fill those positions with the right people because within the 30

days I will have my orientation for all the staff. This is an hour presentation about who he is,

where we are going and what we are doing. He wants the best people around him because

when you are a ten you hire tens but, when you are an eight you hire sevens. Again, we are

acting in the peoples’ best interest, the trust of the people. He does not hire just next in line,

he wants the best people around us, so we are going to fill these spots but, not just with next

in line. Staff is going to feel secure that there is somebody in charge making decisions and

being responsive to the citizens. When citizens come with legitimate questions and ask

legitimate questions that is fine but, coming with conspiracy theories, trouble and just

looking to cause issues, that does not help anybody for anything. He will address decorum

at meetings and how we present ourselves publicly because people around the other

communities are looking at us. He feels that the image that people are putting out about

Deltona is hey we might have trouble but, at least we are not Deltona. He feels like the

challenge is to come in here in the first 30 days and just find every different way he can to

correct that atmosphere and especially having a background in marketing and promotions.

There is some good positive things that we can add to our list, promote what we are doing

and maybe stop some of that feeling of this is not a great place because it is let's promote it

that way and really change the attitudes. I feel if I'm doing the job correctly then staff is going

to trust him, the Commissioners are going to trust him as a leader and for the citizens, he

will find common ground as much as possible in the first 30 days.

Commissioner Colwell asked what is the City’s greatest assets and its greatest

weaknesses?

Mr. Dougherty answered the residence are both because you have got an asset of

engaged people that want to see the community grow and be a great place to live and raise

a family but, you also have some that are out there who are extremely negative towards the

community no matter what. He thinks it is an issue as we talk about what kind of

atmosphere we are putting out there. The negative image being put out there is very

damaging because you can have a great City but, if people are saying how bad you are the

image is going to be bad. You have 100,000 residents that could be greatly engaged that

may be interested in not listening to that and actually moving the City forward. The

opportunities are there even with developments like the Deltona Village which has been

going on since 2010 and would be a fantastic addition to the community.

Commissioner Heriot asked how would you discern the difference between legitimate

concerns and conspiracy theories and what kind of time would you give to those residents

to make that differentiation?

Mr. Dougherty answered he does not believe in running a Facebook administration where

whatever was said last night we have to quickly respond because then all we are doing is

responding to people that just have a system that is called whataboutism. So, you answer

the first question which then leads to answering 15 questions. We just cannot spend all our

time on social media but, he thinks if we have a good communication department from the

City itself to put out publicly here is the situation and here is where we are going. Again,

having some citizen task forces because then people understand it is not just coming from

us or the consultants but, it is also the citizens that are on the task force. The more people

that can understand what is happening the better off we are. He does not believe in being

very responsive to just the latest conspiracy theory but, he thinks as you look at an issue

where people are very confused, he thinks the communications department needs to make

sure that we are putting out proper information. The more information put out there the

better but, at the same point we just do not go answering question after question just

because someone has come up with something.

Vice Mayor JodyLee asked what are you going to do different that is going to help our

residents to fix our issues, save us money and start getting things done but, I do not want a

canned political answer?

Mr. Dougherty answered the best decision when hiring an outsider in any position that you

have is to bring in outside eyes. He hires people within if possible but, certainly bringing in

outsiders rather than just hiring from within. He hears a lot that you need to keep that same

person in the position because they have been here forever and they have the knowledge

but, they have the knowledge of the way we have always done things. If you bring an

outsider in they look at everything and say why are you doing this that way. Zero based

budgeting is the number one thing that he would do. The moment that he arrives he would

be looking at the budget and starting from zero. You have to ask what do you really need to

be successful in each line item and that does not mean that we are going to reduce the

lines because there might be an area where we need to add resources to a department to

be more successful. Unless there are special surprises that come up during the year that

you have to be prepared for but, it really breaks it down to say Commissioners with honesty

this is exactly what is needed to run our City. The citizens then have trust also that this is

what it takes because when you really get down to turning the lights on and paying staff, that

alone is a heavy chunk of the entire budget overall. As we know personnel is huge along

with just basic utilities and from there what do you have left to do anything beyond that. Is it

the Fire Department with educational programs, Parks & Recreation with more special

events and activities that we can add in there but, you can see the breakdown rather than

saying operating supplies is $90,000. He thinks it gets down to the bones of what is

needed to really run the government. He is very much in favor of a lean organization, and he

does not believe that even department heads and leadership are people that should wear

suits and drink coffee around the office. Everybody’s got a hands-on job because there is

no suits and he is not a suit himself. He believes everyone should be engaged and involved.

Everyone has a worth and they need to show what their value is to the community.

Mayor Avila stated we have a manager form of government in the City of Deltona. What are

you going to do to ensure that no one on the dais, including himself, respects that boundary

where we are not directing staff specifically and that petitions are coming to the City

Manager ensuring that our employees have one boss and not seven?

Mr. Dougherty answered the concept is clear and most residents do not understand the full

City Manager form of government. When he gets here, he is going to go through that

process to make sure everyone understands how it all works but the department heads are

usually the ones that are asked the most. He has no issue with the Commissioners having

relationships with department heads or staff friendships. If you are calling about a pothole

on a street near a friend's business, you would call Public Works and any other citizen

would make that same phone call about a pothole on the street. If you call and say my

friend's parking lot needs a pothole filled while you are on the street take care of it, we

cannot have that. His advice to the department heads directly are anyone that asks for

anything beyond the pale the answer is you know how the game goes, you have to call the

City Manager and ask him otherwise I cannot do it for you. As long as they understand that,

very clearly, because if an employee is going out of their way to help one Commissioner

and not help the others that employee may not be here very long. The rules are well set, we

are going to be fair, we are going to be honest and tell the truth. Keep your word, exercise

integrity and that is our ethical foundation. So, any department head that just seems to be

taking care of one Commissioner or two Commissioners and the others do not know it, that

is inappropriate from the staff level. He will be willing to say to that Commissioner that they

cannot ask for that but, what do they need and he will take care of it for them. We will not do

anything where we take care of somebody's permit or somebody wants to move up the line

for a fire inspection. We will do them as they come through because we are not going to be

on the front page of a newspaper playing favorites or having something happen in our

community in which it was done that way. We will be as ethical as we can and as much as

he appreciates trying to get things done and representing your districts it still has to be

done with structure and if it is a legitimate request it is going to be done anyway because

that is what we need to do. Employees need to feel secure, they do not have two bosses.

Mayor Avila asked to add three minutes to Mrs. Davis’ time and the Commission will ask

their questions in reverse. He asked Mrs. Davis to provide an introduction and that the

Commission would ask questions within the time frame allotted.

Mrs. Carmen Davis thanked the Commission for giving her an opportunity to come and

present herself and share her background and experiences in speaking with them so that

she can show that she would be a wonderful fit as our City Manager. In summary as you

know she was a County Administrator for Hines County Mississippi for over 9 ½ years as

she was the longest tenured County Administrator to date. In that position she managed a

staff of 900 employees. Also, she had relationships with the Constitutional Elected Officials

as well and assisting them to manage their different offices and making sure they had the

resources to do their mandated duties. Also, she has managed cities as Lake Worth Beach

with a total of about 45 employees where she also served as City Manager there. So, with

her background and experience for almost 25 years in local government and including

urban planner with the City of Detroit she feels like she is a wonderful fit for the City of

Delona.

Vice Mayor JodyLee asked what are you going to do differently so we can save money, get

the job done and make sure things around here are done and transparent for the residents?

Mrs. Davis answered she is very budget-minded in her experience. She has of course done

a number of budgets as well as manage the finances of the different agencies that she has

been manager over. She is a person that believes that we should be very mindful to our

rules and procedures and of course every local government has to abide by purchasing

laws. So, we want to make sure that we are in line with the purchasing laws and how we

conduct our purchases and our bids and all the other processes related to procuring our

services, equipment and materials. What she would do is work with our purchasing director

to ensure that they are in tune with those procedures as well as the City's policies related to

purchasing. She would also make sure that we work very closely in line with the Finance

Department because the Finance Department would also be responsible for being a part of

the process of making sure we are spending in the right way. That whatever we purchase is

in line with the budget and everyone is responsible for that, every department, because she

knows every department has budgeting responsibilities. They also have purchasing

responsibility so to make sure that every department is in line with the policies, that they are

accountable for what they are purchasing and making sure we are in line with that budget.

Commissioner Colwell asked what do you see as our greatest assets and our greatest

weaknesses?

Mrs. Davis answered right now the greatest weakness is our core, our staff. We have a

number of vacancies right now, key vacancies in our senior management team and so that

would be the biggest priority that she feels that we need to address. Making sure those key

positions are filled particularly as it relates to the Planning and Economic Departments. She

believes we now have hired a HR Director and she recently heard that there is no longer a

Finance Director. So, these key positions are very vital to moving forward the priorities and

visions of the Commission so that is what she would do to move forward. Then the other

priority she believes is concerning our infrastructure. She continually hears about the

concerns about flooding so she will first get with the team to see what has been done. She

knows there have been a number of studies and so we need to look at the studies to see

what is required to address those concerns and try to seek the resources that we need to

carry out that plan.

Commissioner McCool asked in the first 30 days of taking that seat upstairs what are your

top three priorities?

Mrs. Davis answered well the first 30 days would be sitting down with each one of you

making sure she understands our priorities, our needs and our concerns and also putting

together a communication plan with each of the Commission who need to be on top of what

is happening in the City. She needs to connect with the Commission on a very regular basis

to make sure that you are in tune to what is happening on a day-to-day basis and keep

them in that loop. So, that is what she would start with and the next she would start with her

leadership team and getting to know the different departments, what are the issues, what

are their needs, and what are their concerns. She will now be able to determine the

direction and the guidance that they need to carry out the direction of the City.

Commissioner Avila-Vasquez asked answer what would be your goals to move the City

forward, bringing up the staffs’ morale and the residents’ trust in the City?

Mrs. Davis answered as far as the staff morale certainly as it is connected to the answer

she just gave, making sure we fill those gaps of vacancies in the key leadership and making

sure that she understands their concerns and needs. What she sees right now is the lack of

stability and that stability is really a result of the vacancy and the turnover in the City

Manager position. So, being in that position will start the process of building the morale

because right now of course she is sure the team is doing a great job keeping the

operation flowing but, without the head leadership guiding and being able to give them the

support and the resources they need to carry forward it is hard to maintain progress. Once

you move over a different City Manager they will have to come about and learn the

operation. If that person leaves, you have to start that process all over and that is why right

now, we see very slow movement in the projects that are before us because of the guidance

that is not there to help them move along in what they are responsible for doing. The team is

very valuable and very important to the progress because they are the ones doing the work,

so they need that support. They need to know that they have someone there helping them,

encouraging them, empowering them, and also giving them the support and making sure

that they have the skillsets to carry through. As far as the community, it is the second part of

your question. The community needs communication and she thinks communication is key.

She heard yesterday from many of the community members they want to know that they

have someone who would listen. They want to know if they have someone who is available

for them to help share the updates, the information, and what is happening in the City. To

know that they have an ear about their concerns so, of course, she wants to be involved in

the community to make sure that they know that she has an open door policy to sit with

them, to make herself available to the community from time to time and to make sure that

they have someone they can have a pinpoint person to understand the makings of what is

happening in the community and in the City.

Commissioner Shimkus asked what your approach is to project management and how you

approach it with regards to the planning and the reporting of a project to all the key

stakeholders including the citizens, the staff and the Commission?

Mrs. Davis answered one of her major ways to handle project management, she believes

that each year it is very important to set goals. With those goals she works with all her

department heads to establish goals for their departments, and we make sure that we

understand the goals for that year. We make sure it lines up with the budget and make sure

those goals are established with key objectives to reach those goals. Then at the end of the

year we are able to determine how we have progressed. That project management process

is by listing all our projects, stating our projected completion dates or our goals and how we

want to meet those objectives and communicate that so there is a regular review by holding

weekly meetings. In her previous experience she had weekly meetings with all her

department heads and part of that weekly gathering is to go over the progress of what we

are doing and how we are fairing along with that. What are the hiccups, what are the issues

that we are coming about with those projects. How we communicate that to the

Commission is that we will give them a periodic update with that on those, a progress

report. She knows currently the City has a City Manager Report and videos that go out

through DeltonaTV and so she thinks those are nice avenues in which to communicate

project progress as well as written reports. So, that is how she will handle updating the

Commission on those projects.

Commissioner Hariot asked can you give us some examples of a project, a significant

project, and one of the agencies that you have worked with in the past? A project that you

were able to complete without using a significant amount of Ad Valorem revenue or other

tax funding, a project that you were able to complete with alternative funding.

Mrs. Davis answered we have had many projects that we use grant funding without Ad

Valorem taxes. Currently we have at the City of Lake Worth Beach, we are working on a

project with our infrastructure for our electric utilities. The project is ongoing, and it started

with issuing a $40 million bond to start the sustainability and resilience project. However,

we knew that $40 million would not be enough to carry through for the rest of the project. The

project was to strengthen our electric utility infrastructure so that it will protect us from natural

disasters, other events and make sure we had system reliability and reduce outages. We

needed additional funding so what we did is we sought grant funding and so in that

endeavor we were awarded, and we sought funding from the Department of Energy called

the GRIP (Grid Resilience and Innovative Partnerships) Program. We were rewarded $23.4

million to continue and leverage the funding that we had already acquired for that project.

Mayor Avila stated we are known in Delona for hiring consultants and sometimes we don't

follow through. What would you do to make sure that we break that mold? What would you

do to stay on a time frame? Number two, that we can project that time frame and project to

the residents, Commission and staff. Number three, when there are opportunities like CRA

(Community Redevelopment Agency) or ECHO (Environmental/Ecological, Cultural,

Historical/Heritage, and Outdoor Recreational) that we apply for those.

Mrs. Davis answered when we seek studies or evaluations on different issues certainly it is

to get an understanding of the magnitude and what is necessary to correct a situation and

so studies are very important. So, in doing so, it also gives you information as to what is

required and what resources that you need in order to resolve that situation. So, studies are

important to know what we need and what type of resources we will demand to carry that

out in order to move forward in that. We have to make sure so there are times when you are

receiving services on, or studies and you do not have the funding for it so there is a

possibility that the next step in that process is seek the funding. Once you seek the funding,

we apply that to the project and we move forward so it is a matter of creating a project plan,

making sure the project is moving forward and also keeping you updated which relates to

the question of project management. Making sure it is moving forward and constantly

reviewing the progress of that project and communicating it to not only the Commission but

the public. That communication is in writing and also reports at the Commission meetings.

Commissioner Shimkus asked can you think about something and give us an example of

something in your career that you wish you would be able to go back and revisit, what you

learned from that, if it was a mistake or a regret and how you might approach something

differently with what you have learned since then?

Mrs. Davis answered she does not have a particular project but, what she can say is as City

Manager she relies on her staff and the department heads to be subject matter experts.

She relies on their advice, their guidance, and thoughts on certain situations that she may

not be an expert in because she is not an expert in everything. The role of City Manager is

very dynamic, there are 50 things going on at the same time sometimes and so you have to

act quickly. Sometimes you can act quickly, and the decision may not be something that

should have been made or should have been made differently. Sometimes the situation can

come back on you if you move in a different direction if you had not taken the time to step

back and look at that situation and think it out. You have to rely on your staff so that is why it

is very important to make sure you have staff that you can trust, staff that are professionally

trained and very in tune to the work that they do. So, there are times where she had to make

quick decisions sometimes and you wish you had even 10 more minutes to make that

decision because you might have done something different.

Commissioner Avila-Vazquez stated so you know the City started with a long list of

candidates and we wound up with a short list of candidates. Some of the ones that pulled

out gave reasons of watching our meetings and listening to comments from neighboring

elected officials or other areas and they felt that they were not ready to take on the

challenge of the City of Deltona but, you are here and you are interviewing for the position.

She asked what do you look forward to in working for the City of Deltona and why are you

here? Why do you want to work for the City of Deltona considering all these other people

who turned us down for whatever they saw?

Mrs. Davis answered she is here and she does not shy away from a challenge. She knows

there have been a lot of talk, she has heard a lot of concerns from the community and from

the Commission. She has read a lot of stuff, she watched our meetings, and she guesses

one could look and be discouraged but, she does not see it that way. She sees it as a

challenge, and she has been there. She has 25 years of experience in very progressive

communities and so she believes that she has developed the tough skin and the disposition

to handle the challenges. She thinks this is a very vibrant community. She likes its structure;

she likes what she sees in the community, and she thinks it has rich potential to go where

the Commission wants it to go. So, all she can say is she does not shy away from a

challenge, and she says thank you to those candidates for allowing her to be here.

Commissioner McCool asked please explain to me your process for handling resident

conflict? What she means by that is that we have residents with serious concerns, and she

needs to understand that we have a well-defined process but, we have had in the past

retaliation from departments.

Mrs. Davis answered quickly, she would certainly like an opportunity to talk to the residents

and their concerns. Have an open ear, discuss the issues, and resolve things. She believes

in protecting staff and she hope staff is not attacked. In this field of public service it is tough

and we want to do a good job and we want to do what is best for the community. So, we

have the best at heart generally and so we want to provide good service to the community.

She thinks by doing that is keeping an open ear and open door to allow them to share their

concerns and allow us to address it.

The Commissioners discussed having the candidates answe

5. PUBLIC FORUM: Time permitted, public comments shall be limited to items on the

agenda and shall not exceed four minutes. Please be courteous and respectful of the

views of others. Personal attacks on Commission members, City staff or members of

the public are not allowed, and will be ruled out of order by the Mayor.